Robin Sol Lieberman - LIFEHONEY

073: Finding Sweetness in the Broken Places of Life  -  Robin Sol Lieberman

Robin Sol Lieberman is a UCLA-trained Mindfulness Facilitator and Anthropologist who teaches classes to neurofeedback patients at the Peak Brain Institute in Los Angeles, to world diplomats at the United Nations, and to men and women returning from Prison. She is the founder of the Jailbird Foundation, a 501c3 criminal justice reform organization, as well as the creator of LIFEHONEY. As alternatives to flowers and fruit baskets, LIFEHONEY goods are unique gifts created to rock the boat of traditional gifting. Each Japanese kintsugi kit is a luxurious rite of passage in a box. Robin is the author of The Charisma Code and a nationally recognized commentator on Fox (DC), KTLA (LA), and P.O.T.U.S (SiriusXM), amongst others. 

In This Episode, You Will Learn:

  • How a LIFEHONEY kintsugi kit can help you mark an important event in your life.
  • Why Robin started LIFEHONEY as a wellness brand.
  • The five personality types discussed in Robin’s book “The Charisma Code.”

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Interview Transcript

Robin, thanks so much for taking time to hang with me today. I really appreciate it.

Good to be here with you, David.

Yeah. Well, you have a brand new company called LIFEHONEY, and I want to know what it is and where this idea came from.

So LIFEHONEY’s our new wellness brand, and my new wellness brand that I brought to life with really an extraordinary team. So I feel privileged to be the voice behind it, but it’s taken many of us to get here. And yes, just launched last month. The inspiration behind it is that I saw all these people who were spending lots of money on gifts, and they essentially were the same old, same old gifts. They weren’t creating connection with the people they were gifting their gifts to. There wasn’t a sense of, “I really see you. I really know you. Here’s something to honor our connection. Here’s something to honor your life and my connection to your life.” And so I was doing some research and I was like, “Wow, in America, one out of every ten dollars is actually spent on getting a gift for someone.”


Right? That’s enormous, so I thought, “Okay, well if we’re going to put that many resources into gifting, then let’s make gifts something that actually builds relationship.” Let’s make gifts something that show that, “Hey, I hear you. I see you. I care about you.” And so LIFEHONEY has a line of wellness gifts that are really pinpointed for the major events in life. So be it a new baby, or a divorce, or huge birthday or loss in the family, so really something to celebrate the passing of a beloved at a funeral ceremony. We have kits, that instead of just giving the same old, same old chocolate and flowers, which we all love chocolate, we all love flowers, these are great. Or trinkets, by the way, that get a little dusty.

A lot of candles.

A lot of candles. I love candles. Candles are great, but you don’t need to get one from everyone.

And so tell me about this kit. You call it a wellness kit, which is really a wellness gift, but tell me more about it.

So LIFEHONEY, we launched with just one kit. However the intention is to have many. The one that you’re speaking of is called the Japanese Kintsugi Kit for New Beginnings. And so of course it brings to mind, “Well, what is Kintsugi, Robin?” So Kintsugi, do you know? I’m just curious.

Oh, I do, yeah. Well ,of course because I’ve researched your company and what you do, but I also was aware of it beforehand. But I did not know they came in kits. That was new to me.

Okay. Okay, so Kintsugi is what the Japanese have been doing for a very long time, since the 15th century. And essentially it’s what they do with pottery that breaks. So instead of just discarding like, “Oops, cat knocked the nice tea cup off the shelf. Let’s throw it away,” they developed a way of using gold and an adhesive, in order to glue the pieces together and create a whole bowl. And the art form is called Kintsugi. And so what we have at LIFEHONEY, is a Japanese Kintsugi kit to celebrate all kinds of new beginnings. Such as we spoke about a moment ago, the big, new event; to become a parent for the first time. Well, okay, you go to someone’s baby shower, “Here, let me gift you a Japanese Kintsugi kit, that yes, you won’t know about most likely at first.”

“What is this thing? This is a bowl? What is this?”

Right. Right. Right, here’s the pack. It comes on the top of our kit. “You got a Kintsugi Kit!” And then it says, “Here’s how it works.”

That’s good. People need to know that.

Yeah, and so you’ve got your steps of what you do. And with our Kintsugi kit, the very first step you do, is you actually go online and you have a choice of five different courses of how you would use your kit. Because you’re led to break a bowl in our kit, to glue it together with gold, and then to create a life keepsake that’s alive by the intention that you put into it. These keepsakes, ultimately if you think about it, what were the Japanese doing there? Yes, they were preserving a physical item, that’s all fine and good. But there’s a deeper metaphor here, and that’s what really got my attention, and most likely got yours if you’ve heard about it before you went and researched me. Which is, “What do we do with brokenness?” The metaphor of our own brokenness.

And I know that you’ve been a pastor before, this is something that I’m sure your line of work has been focused towards. Which is, “How do we deal with brokenness?” Brokenness of the mind. Brokenness of the heart. Brokenness of life, when it feels like life is broken. And the fact of the matter is, we know, one and only one thing in life – or so says Buddha and Heraclitus, the Greek philosopher, and so says LIFEHONEY and myself. Which is that, the only constant in life is change. Is that true from your experience? Is the only constant in life, the only thing that you can depend on, change?

And oftentimes that change includes some brokenness probably.

Well, that’s just it. In order to change, we’ve got to break what was. So if change is always happening, the seasons are changing, our skin is changing, our relationships are changing. If everything is in flux, then we’re going to be really messed up and hurting if we don’t learn how to be in good relationship with the breaks that are necessary for the natural flow of life to change and move through us.

So in some ways the kit is celebrating the brokenness? Brokenness has obviously such a – it’s a heavy term. It can feel negative in a lot of ways, but I love that you’re saying, how do you somehow incorporate the brokenness back into it? It’s like the bowl has been deconstructed, and now how do you reconstruct it in some way?

Exactly. I love how you also said we look at brokenness and we go, “Hmm, that’s a negative thing.” Is it? No. I think it’s just a necessary thing, and I think that’s what I hope to bring to people’s lives more fluently. Through something beautiful, like here’s our kit, I’m just holding up for the viewers here. So it almost looks like a chocolate box, right?

Yeah, it’s very luxurious.

Right? Thank you. So again, awesome team, not just myself, who makes this.

And obviously as you’re listening and you want to see the kit, you can go to their website, which is www.lifehoney.com, and we’ll have that obviously in the show notes. If you’re listening, you can swipe up on your phone and click on that link now. Plus it’ll be in the show notes on our website, but it’s just a beautiful box. Keep going, I want to make sure people see it.

Yeah, thank you, David. So I love that you put our URL, because really I think that addresses your sort of question topic a moment ago around LIFEHONEY. So life; something that’s always happening. The only thing we can depend on in life is change. Okay, great, we got it. How do we make that sweet? How do we sweeten that change? And that’s where I think the Japanese are just so absolutely brilliant with Kintsugi. And so much about LIFEHONEY is about really honoring different cultural traditions

So my background’s in cultural anthropology, and I was very lucky at a young age to travel around a lot of the world. And not just study, but fall in love with the shaman’s son in Nepal for example. And live in the Himalayas for a year. Or sitting on fires, singing mantras to Kali. I mean, I’ve had some experiences at a young age that definitely have changed the way that I see and value the world. Then you combine that with me being a human and all my own brokenness, and figuring out somewhere along the way, how to make honey out of it, right? Which is to me, a daily practice

As you and I have discussed, David, I teach two mindfulness classes a week, and in many ways, LIFEHONEY, we are looking to have these luxury gifts – and thank you for finding our Kintsugi kits beautiful. But looking to have these luxury gifts and really blend them with a mindfulness practice. So as I mentioned a moment ago, you go on here, you’ve got your five different courses you can choose from. You get your kit, you go, “Okay, great. Kintsugi for new beginnings, what’s that?” You open up your kit, there’s a User Guide in here, and you flip through the thing and it shows you how to actually make – let me show your viewers here. Make one of these.

Yes, so the bowl basically has the gold that’s holding it together in the broken places. Yeah. And what’s beautiful is even the gold looks like honey. That’s just a beautiful metaphor, yeah. It’s powerful. What I find is interesting, is you obviously send them the bowl intact, and they have to break it.


Which is fascinating. You provide a bag that they just drop. Maybe it’s a divorce, you’ve got a giant hammer that you include or something. But with each one of these, we don’t have to go through all five, but let’s just say “birth”. I don’t usually think of birth, the introduction of a new child as, a season of brokenness. So take me through that. How would I envision that?

So I see as more, it’s for the parent. And let’s say you’re a new parent specifically, you’ve got a big change coming your way. And I know you’re a family man, David.

Big change.

So David as a father, and David before fatherhood. And we could say the same thing for when you got married probably, right? You as a bachelor, whatever that looked like. And you as a married man, big change.

Kids are the most selfish things on the planet. And I have found that when we had our first child, Waverly, her main goal in life was to point out my selfishness. Because kids are just so needy that any amount of selfishness as a parent gets highlighted real quickly, yeah.

Right, so an opportunity, that may be a part of what you would bring into your ceremony. So you’re doing the kit for you as a new parent, if that’s what we’re talking about. Of the five courses, I would choose the Growth Kintsugi Course for Reinventing Yourself. So it’s about reinventing yourself and in that regard, when you’re actually breaking the bowl – and here’s an example. Here’s the bag that it would come with, with a little hexagon. You get, as David was saying a moment ago, your intact LIFEHONEY bowl. These are all handmade with various different coatings on them.


Thank you. And you then would be instructed in the course, yes, to break it with a ceremony intentionally of, “What are you letting go of? What are you releasing?” Because I found also in my travels around the world, is that many cultures today, and especially indigenous cultures around the world, have had rites of passage. Moments that celebrated before you were a parent, and when you became a parent. Now we have baby showers, we have bachelorette parties, we have these things. These are powerful things, but I wanted to create a rite of passage in a box.

You can do it in the privacy of your home. You can go as deep as you want. We offer mindfulness mediations with them, so that you can maybe be a little more prepared that, “Yeah, you know what? A kid might point out my selfishness.” Am I ready for that? Am I ready to not sleep? And also, the beauty of it. Am I ready to have a little extension of myself and my legacy, walking around. So there’s this sweetness in all of it, it’s just a matter of maybe sometimes we need a little help along the way.

Right. Right. What an amazing concept. Now how is this different from other Kintsugi kits that are on the market? Because I didn’t even realize there are kits. They’re on Amazon, they’re on eBay, they’re on…


Etsy, yes. They’re on Etsy. So how is your kit different?

Yeah, so it’s interesting that you saw a lot. They’re just really coming to the market now, the U.S. market. When I actually started this project, I had to order from Europe. I got a little cardboard box with a bunch of little products thrown into it. I will say there wasn’t any little pamphlet guidance. But I was like, “The metaphor of this thing is just too powerful to let this go.” I don’t want people to just be doing this as a home project like, “Uh oh, I broke grandma’s thing.” I mean, lovely. That’s nice, but that’s arts and craft. My work in LIFEHONEY is much more around wellness, and so we are truly a lifestyle wellness life event brand, and so I wanted to create an opportunity for people to go deep with it. And so the fact that our kit not only comes with the ceremony and course that we were sort of looking at a moment ago…

How long is that? When you say course, is it one video? Is it multiple videos? What does that look like?

There are six videos and one audio meditation. My video team, The Tanori Group, did also an extraordinary job of really creating quality there. I’m quite proud of our courses and of their work. So yeah, so you would go on, and I understand that time is of essence for all of us, there is an ability to just do the practical tutorial of actually creating the gold in your kit. Or you could go through the full ceremony, which really encourages you depending on if you’re doing this for becoming well, depending if you’re doing this because you lost someone in your family. Depending on if you’re doing this because you’re having a family restructuring after a divorce, for example, or for newlyweds.

You’re really deciding, “How deep do we want to go?” So that’s one of the ways that our kit is different, the course accessibility. The other is that it’s not just a Kintsugi kit, there’s actually twenty-five items in the box that we showed. Two of the things are, there’s these sweet little rose quartz hearts, journal, gold pens, and the course actually leads you through how to use these. So that it’s not just you make your Kintsugi keepsake and it sits on a door and collects dust – door shelf rather. It’d be hard for the Kintsugi bowl to sit on the door.

Yeah, yeah. That would be tough, for sure.

But that you’re actually putting intentionality. For example, the kit for newlyweds, the idea is to bring their vows to life. So they’re using the journal and this gorgeous recycled paper. They’re writing their vows that they take for each other. They’re actually using the process, infusing the gold that they build their bowl, with their love for each other. They’re appreciation and their fears, and they’re bringing that, they’re allowing all of that to be a part of the breaking and the release and the, “I accept your imperfections.”

Because if the Japanese know anything, they know about another philosophy called wabi-sabi, which is where Kintsugi came from. Which is this idea of – equanimity is the word in the mindfulness world. It’s that all things are equal. That sometimes the things with the most weathering on them, are also the things with the most inherent beauty or value. That nothing is to be discarded. That the only things that’s necessary to create beauty, is for us to change our minds to where we embrace beauty in all it is.

Beautiful. Beautiful. As I was watching the videos on your website, which your website is just gorgeous by the way. And the videos are very beautiful. I am watching the process, and I’m thinking, “This looks so stressful to me. I’m going to make a mess. I am such a perfectionist, this is not going to be right.” I’m going to get halfway through it and be like, “I need a new kit. I screwed up this one.” What does that say? What do I need? I think I need to break the bowl maybe again or something. I don’t know.

I love that you brought this up. So I had been practicing with all the kits I bought from Europe. I had figured out a way to make a good Kintsugi bowl. I finally got our shipment of these handmade bowls, and I made my first one. And I had the gloves, they were full of sticky glue. And I got gold and sticky glue all over the whole thing. My gloves were sticking to the thing. Everything’s kind of falling apart, and I’m sitting there with my partner and I’m just like, “Oh, my God. This is never going to work. I can’t do this. It’s awful. Look what happened, honey.” And I’m literally hyperventilating.

I cared so much about this thing, these shipments from products all around the world, and I get my bowls. We got fifteen hundred of them in my garage, and I can’t make the thing work. So I’m like, “Okay, it’s a disaster. All right.” So then I wake up the next morning, I go outside because you let your Kintsugi bowl set for twenty-four hours. I go outside, I look at, it was glistening in the sunshine and the gold on the outside of the bowl, it added a whole other dimension and it became my favorite bowl. In fact, if you look at any of the product photography on our site, almost every single product photography is of that bowl that I thought I messed up.

Nice. Nice, that’s good.

So there you have it.

All right.

And actually, we go through that process. After they make their bowl and the ceremony, there’s an opportunity to look at it and be like, “So how can you again bringing mindfulness to this? What’s your response to your bowl? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you feel like it could have been better?” And then it’s really an opportunity to get a little more wabi-sabi, because we’re not doing this for the thing, we’re doing this for us.

Right. Right. Wow, super powerful. So you refer that we all have brokenness, and obviously you can share to whatever degree you want, but to have a vision for something as rich and meaningful and passionate as you have created, there has to be some sense of brokenness that flows out of you that has a desire to create this. You know what I mean? You had to have experienced that in your own life in order to want to give it away to others. What has motivated you in this whole endeavor?

Thank you. I mean, my very organic response in this moment is that I have felt that it’s actually in my moments of my deepest brokenness, my deepest pain, that I have felt most in touch with my Self, with a capital S. With the larger part of me. With the universe. With life. I’m thinking about the moments of extraordinary grief, that I actually find to be just as satisfying in a certain way, as I do extraordinary joy

And I say that because there’s such aliveness in it, and it feels so honest to me. Maybe that’s what I love about grief. Not that I would wish it on anyone or myself, I know it has pain as its signature. There is some pain there, but with that there feels to me like there’s also an invitation to not lie. To not lie to myself. To not lie to the world. And I’m just talking about even the baby white lies that we sometimes sugar-coat things with. And isn’t it interesting, I know. I’m saying find the sweetness…

“I’m good. I’m good. Everything’s good.” Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And find the sweetness in my life; honey, sugar coat. No. I’m looking for and want the honey that can be found from truth, from being exactly honest with ourselves and our relationships. So yes, to answer your question, I feel like there’s been little breaks all the way along my journey, my path. If I was to get really specific, something like coming from a divorced family when I was four years old. Divorced parents and feeling like I broke when they split.

Literally, they’re little split felt like a literal split in me, and at such a young age, I don’t know that at least for my constitution and sensitivity, that’s something I still work on. I still see that coming up sometimes, and asking me to, “Hey Robin, there’s still a crack here.” “Hey Robin, we need a little more love and attention.” All the little Robin’s in me that are still feeling that split. “Okay, okay, how can I be with you? How can I bring a little honey? A little bit of gold into your center?”

Yeah, for most of us, it’s loss, betrayal, disappointment, utilizing addictions to cope. All of those seems to be primary experiences of brokenness. I also think about regret. It’s funny, I have some people that – and I think it’s well meaning, it’s like, “I have no regrets.” And I go, “Man, I’ve got a lot. I’ve got a lot of regrets.” I’ve got a lot of things that I wish I wouldn’t have done or experienced, and because I experienced those things, I’m a different person. I’m transformed because of those things. But anytime that I cause other people pain from my actions, either consciously or unconsciously, yeah, of course I regret that.

And that becomes a place of brokenness that I look back on. That is a reminder of, “Okay, how can I choose to cultivate different skills in my life to not break others or hurt others in that way?” Or, “How can I process my own internal world, so I don’t respond in ways that not only cause brokenness in others, but brokenness in me?” So I think the beauty of those breaks, that brokenness of looking back, whether you call it regret, betrayal, loss, all of those things, is one, that they’re a marker in time. Right?

That I go, “Okay, that was part of my life.” If I’m honest with it, I can see the places where I made decisions that I wish I wouldn’t have. Or people made decisions toward me that I wish I wouldn’t have experienced. And they’re all growth opportunities. They’re all growth opportunities. And I will say too that the honey for me, is a deepened compassion for others when they experience those things.

Eleven years ago, I had a total burnout. I checked myself into the hospital for three days, and I was in a bad place. That is a broken place in my life. Well, I have deep compassion for anybody who is having mental challenges, whether short-term or long-term, and there’s honey there. The honey is in my growth from that experience, and the honey of the compassion toward others. So there’s so much. There’s so much to learn from those moments. Otherwise, the other option is have resentment, anger, all the coping ways that we cope. That’s the other option, other than the honey.

Exactly. I mean, you so beautifully articulated the greatest gift of any of our breaks, and it’s the gift of, yes, personal growth, and part of that personal growth is compassion and empathy for others. And when we have that, we change the world.

Yeah. So when people order the kit, they also receive, I know, a copy of your book that’s entitled The Charisma Code: Communicating in a Language Beyond Words. Share with us just for a minute, the heart of the book. Why did you write that book, and what was your desire behind it?

The heart of the book is the fact that value can be found in all things. That was a couple years ago that I launched the book, and it’s actually taken me until about right now to really feel into what the heart of it was. Because so much of my coming to that book, was having a very unique journey in life and knowing that there was something that wanted to be offered to the world through that experience. I didn’t know the process of writing the book was so unorganized. Literally everybody said, “Oh, yeah, Robin. Have a table of contents. Do the thing. Fill it in. You’ll get it done.” I spent years writing that thing, and it was just dark nights of the soul. It was wrenching every bit of my soul to try to get some juice out of that thing and figure out then how to market that critter.

And it got picked up for the political elections of the presidential debates; our last presidential debate cycle. And I would go on shows and talk about the non-verbal communication, the charisma of the presidential candidates, which was a fascinating thing coming from somebody who had no political background. But what I did have, was a people background. And I understood that there is this language that is either congruent or it’s not congruent. And we can learn a lot about honesty or lack thereof, by the way that somebody uses their non-verbal communication. This isn’t just body language, this is also the energy that we put. And a lot of that, we’re all very aware of, we just don’t necessarily know how to articulate our awareness of it.


And so The Charisma Code was really coming in and saying, “Okay, so people, you guys think we’re all really different around the world. The Russians, the French, the Americans, you think we’re all really different. And we get in wars and fights and all kinds of weird scandals because we think we’re so different. But if we really brought it down to basics, we’re just these heart beating, vulnerable flesh animals who happen to think and plan and ask the question, ‘What if?’ enough, to where we can create the kind of technology that allows us to not think about our survival most of the time. But we’re all in this together peeps. We’re all in this together.”

And so, the cover of The Charisma Code, I’ll show it here. It is on the LIFEHONEY website as well, if viewers want to see it there. But the actual cover is all the faces of people around the world coming together. And there’s a woman on the front, there’s a man in the back, all the faces. And so I launched this at the United Nations under the precipice that it was a language beyond words that we could speak, to see the value in one another, to find peace together, to communicate even with conflict. And so The Charisma Code, in many ways for me, David, connects so much now, although I didn’t realize it.

I had to take a huge break from that work, of going on political news shows. And also take care of my health, I too had a little bit of a health crisis around that time. And then I sort of after creating LIFEHONEY and Kintsugi and we’re just at the beginning of that journey, but I started to realize, “Oh, what I was interested with The Charisma Code, is value.” The value in all things. And actually with this book on my website, it comes with this coin that we call The Charisma Coin. And you can see there’s – I don’t know if you can see or not, but there’s three quadrants on the coin, and it’s literally the three parts of The Charisma Code. And the first is, to know your value, for confidence development. The second is to show your value, for magnetism development. And the third is to see other’s value, for connection.

And so we call charisma, the currency of connection. And literally you learn the value of your Self, the value of others, and then you spend it. You spend a little charisma wherever you go. And you can be with people who speak your language, or don’t. People who are Democrats, if you’re a Republican, or vice versa. And you know, you can still actually get along. There’s something deeper in us, we’re looking for value. But this is a practice, just like mindfulness is a practice. And I do believe that it very much connects to Kintsugi, just because it’s a practice of embracing the broken.

I went on your website and took the quiz of five different charisma types. Would you mind going through those just real briefly? What are the five types, and how does knowing my type help me?

Yeah, so these are the five types. They’re all nicely colored there. The red is for Martin Luther King, and people who are red charisma types, they give the gift of courage. So “charisma” is a Greek word. It means the gift of grace. It’s both receiving the gift of grace, from life, from spirit, from God, whatever your affiliation is to what grace is for you. But receiving the gift of grace, and then giving that gift of grace. Charisma was never meant to be a static thing that you just either have or you don’t have, it’s being open to the flow of life, and then from that place, being able to be fearless enough to show your value. So if you show your values and you happen to be somebody who demonstrates a red charisma type, just in your organic gifts of grace, then you’re going to be acting with courage. You’ll be empowering, encouraging people.


We have the Einstein orange type. This is somebody who is very creative, ingenious, who has the gift of, you never know what’s going to come out of their mouth. Okay, then we have the Dali Lama type, this the gold. This is of loving service. They’re also shapeshifters, they kind of can become any of these types easily. There is the green, which is the Oprah type. This is about support, this would be connected to the quality of Earth. Support, and empowerment is another word I’d give there. And then the last is the Marilyn Monroe blue type, which is about giving the gift of enchantment. And they really do each have – this is water, earth, spirit, air, and fire. So they’re element in nature. And did you take the quiz, David?

I did, yes. Yes, and I came out very bright red. Yes.

Oh, you are a red, courageous, MLK type. Amazing.

Oh, that is true. Yes. Yes.

Wow, so what I would have to say about you is that you are most likely a go-getter. You take action really, really well. I’m able to see from the results of the thousands of people that have taken this quiz over the last few years, red is one of the rarest. Red and green are the two rarest. So the Oprah and the MLK. I mean, red, it really says a lot about the way that you serve the world.

Now what I think what’s interesting is, you call this The Charisma Code, and for most of our culture, if we said, “Oh, that person’s charismatic,” that would mean that they’re like, “Hey, how’s it going?” You feel drawn into them. They’re probably an extrovert. But you’re re-defining charisma in a different way, correct?

Yes. Yeah, absolutely. It goes back to its original meaning. That’s what I wanted to play with. So those nights of the dark soul was also spent on the internet, of trying to really research and get down the roots of, “What’s the history of this thing?” Because it’s an ancient word, but how has it been so twisted that we think it’s’ somebody who puts on the bright lipstick, the bright coat, and says, “Something is great!” and “It’s really, really great,” and “Look at me!” and “I’m great.” You know? That may be a charisma, because language, it changes.


So there’s a truth to that as a word, but what I was interested in, what’s great is no one really has a definition of charisma. So they can say, “That person has charisma,” but then everyone’s like, “You can’t teach that. You can’t whatever.” And I was like, “Ooh, now that’s exciting to me. Tell me there’s some exploration to be done with this word.” And so what I’m interested in, is the gift of grace, that’s both received and that’s given. And that’s the original root meaning of the word.

And everybody has one of these five. It’s a way of kind of thinking about – not boxing in people, but really drawing out the grace gift that they have within them. So yeah, that’s beautiful. And which one are you?

I am the gold, so that’s the Dali Lama one, the shapeshifter one. We lead with service in general. We want people to feel good, like that’s enjoyable for us. Yeah, that’s me.

I love it. All right, so if people want to purchase, and first of all, you’ve got to check out the website. It’s beautiful, with the beautiful box. These are not inexpensive. They are a luxury gift, but boy, all the things that you put into it, it is a luxurious gift. And it’s a gift not only of a candle that’s going to burn and go away, but a bowl that can be created. And then there’s these memories that are connected to it. I don’t have really too many memories of a candle. So you’re creating this memory. So that’s at www.lifehoney.com, and people can also get the book there as well as on Amazon. And we’ll put all the links to the website and Amazon and your social media, of course. Once again, if you’re listening, you can swipe up and find those there or on our website; www.insporising.com.

So Robin, if you were to kind of give words of encouragement or life for anyone who’s experiencing brokenness that feels really right on the surface right now, you know what I mean? Sometimes there’s brokenness of the past, it kind of dwindles, kind of shifts down. But then others of us are going through challenging experiences right now, where we feel like there’s brokenness. What words of encouragement or life would you speak to them?

That to the extent that they are able to feel their brokenness, to meet their brokenness, like a visitor that they would welcome into their door for tea. To the extent even if they don’t like the guest, to the extent that they’re able to welcome the guest of pain, of brokenness, of grief, whatever the brokenness may be for them. To the extent that they’re able to meet themselves with that kind of honesty and allow emotion to flow through them, is the extent that not only will that swiftly move into change, into something else. As we know, change is the only constant. By meeting it, we let it integrate. We let the gold come. We let all the pieces of ourselves become a whole bowl.

And what can a whole bowl create and do? A whole bowl can hold gifts of grace, so they get charisma at the same time. Yeah, and then I really recommend anybody that is in that place right now, these kits are not just for gifts that you give to others. They can be gifts that you give to yourself. There’s something we haven’t really touched on here, David. Which is just that if charisma is a gift of grace, and these LIFEHONEY kits are gifts. How do we best spend our currency of connection for our own self-care? By giving ourselves one of these gifts, and by gifting it to others. By also extending a, “Hey, I see you. I know you. You just got married. I want to honor you guys by having the best chance of having the longest, most fruitful relationship possible.” That is expressing their charisma.

That’s good. That’s good.

Thank you.

Robin, thank you so much for all that you’ve created. I mean, I know how much time it creates to take a product, and the sourcing and the branding and the heart behind it and the mindfulness and the videos and the website. It’s just all infused with gold, right? It is. Everything that you’ve done, it is just beautiful. So thank you.

One of the things, you’re just so using your charisma gift right now, because you touch my heart of knowing what it’s like as a business owner and entrepreneur yourself. You touched my heart in the sense of, “Yeah, it has been enormous amount of work.” It’s so new. It’s like me showing you and your viewers my fresh little baby. So thank you to you and to your viewers for being a part of this first step with us at LIFEHONEY. It’s exciting to have inspiration, if I may, rising, for LIFEHONEY. So thank you so much for having me, David.

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